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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 17, 2011 16:43:42 GMT 3
Hmmm maybe.
No it is not related, it is just a coincidence.
No it is not.
Not likely.
Just a coincidence, it is not related.
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Post by ancalimon on Jun 18, 2011 15:34:35 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 18, 2011 18:21:52 GMT 3
I simply ignore them because they simply do not exist.
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Post by Atabeg on Nov 4, 2011 14:52:05 GMT 3
is kafa even a Turkic word?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 6, 2011 21:02:04 GMT 3
No it is not.
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Post by ancalimon on Nov 11, 2011 18:02:06 GMT 3
is kafa even a Turkic word? Similar words were used in a similar meanings like: KABAK (head, pumpkin, cucurbita), KAPAK (cover, thing that hides other things like ~ideas-thoughts), KAP (to catch something.. for example "to catch ideas"), KAP (something hollow... You can simply say KAP with the meaning "head")... KAP can be anything that contains something. It can be a "head", it can be a "shoe", it can be a "mausoleum,coffin", it can be a "turtle (kaplumbaða)", etc... One astonishing word is KABBALAH (receiving) (related with Arabic kabul:acceptance)... Turkic KAP (take, receive) could be related in my opinion. I can relate some some other words with "head" using my head KAPA: (to close) HEAD prevents ideas from passing through. The head catches and collects ideas. KAPAN: (trap) A "KAPAN" is a contraption which is made using cunning and it catches animals by closing. KAPLA: (to surround) our head surrounds our brain. So yes KAFA is clearly not a Turkic word. But there are many similar Turkic words which could have helped creating this word. KAP is clearly a primal word (it's my duty to collect primal words...) and it's much probable that many different words in different languages are derived from this word. One thing to keep in mind when trying to understand what I am talking about is that I think that it's highly probable that a Turkic language was one of the first spoken languages and it was in contact with many other languages around the world.
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Post by massaget on Nov 11, 2011 18:15:02 GMT 3
Chak means hitter isnt it ? At least in Hungarian, and its of old turkic origin. So Kip-chak can mean sg. like the main tribe of the hitters, wich sounds weird but not exceptional among central asian tribal names.
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Post by ancalimon on Nov 11, 2011 18:18:58 GMT 3
Chak means hitter isnt it ? At least in Hungarian, and its of old turkic origin. So Kip-chak can mean sg. like the main tribe of the hitters, wich sounds weird but not exceptional among central asian tribal names. I think it's more like a suffix which gives another meaning to another word. In my opinion çak means enlightened, close to ascendance, to start to become knowing-mature-perfect.. A really beautiful word. Other Turkish words worth mentioning are: ÇAKMAK: flint ÇAK: lightning Now of course it's easy to assume these could be related with "hitting each other".. But they are also related with "intelligence" (you need intelligence to invent a flint and lighting itself is some kind of holy power within itself) Here's another detail: The Mayan god Chac. It's usually depicted holding a serpentine thunderbolt and a grail, or someone is handing it to him. His equivalent in other parts of the world was Zeus, Dyaus, Jupiter, Ca, Jah, Ju, Jahve, Jehova Jeho, Sakh, Sagg, Sa-ga-ga, Sakko, Zagg, Zax. a.k.a. Zeus
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Post by massaget on Nov 11, 2011 21:08:16 GMT 3
Sorry, I think I cant follow you, what's common in Kipchaks and Mayan gods unless Chak in their names ?
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Post by ancalimon on Nov 11, 2011 21:41:18 GMT 3
Sorry, I think I cant follow you, what's common in Kipchaks and Mayan gods unless Chak in their names ? Çak in Turkic means flint. In my opinion "energy transfer" All these Gods are related with "light" in one way or another. The extra detail is the "grail:cup". The word exists in a form inside KIPchak. It was just a detail. Not really something worth arguing about since we don't really have much at hand.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 17, 2011 0:13:48 GMT 3
Sorry, I think I cant follow you, what's common in Kipchaks and Mayan gods unless Chak in their names ? That's just ancalimon's style
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Post by tangriberdi on Jan 28, 2012 3:28:37 GMT 3
I remember to have read something like that: Kypchaks have a tamga resembling two knives which tells their name derived from eki býçaq, two kives in Turkic. But I do not know what extent it is true.
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Post by Ardavarz on Jan 29, 2012 1:04:38 GMT 3
Recently I found some very interesting materials in the works of Yuri Zuev about Early Turkic mythology and ideological continuity of the Steppe cultures. He suggests that "Kypchak" was external name given to those (ethnically different) tribes who have inherited the Yueh-chih cultic symbolism of Milky Way (= Tree of Life) from which fork ("hollow") the new moon is born. (That's where their origin myth about the child from the tree hollow was developed). The two "columns" of their tamgha represent this idea (image of the Tree of Life). Thus the Kypchaks (Cumans) were "people of the Milky Way" related to the lunar cult of the mother goddess. See the chapters about "Urbe-Kypchak" and "Moon and Hare": www.s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/29Huns/Zuev/ZuevEarly2En.htm(not a good translation though and the names are sometimes distorted because they just transliterate the Russian transcription. For those who know Russian I strongly recommend the original pdf text: www.s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/29Huns/Zuev/ZuevEarly1Ru.htm).
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Post by ancalimon on Mar 6, 2012 16:02:12 GMT 3
What does Dashtý Kýpchak mean? In Murad Adji's book, it says the word Dashtý does not come from Persian but from Turkic and it's got two different meanings among the Kýpchak and Oghuz.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 7, 2012 10:40:32 GMT 3
I don't believe and support his theories.
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