Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 7, 2011 0:00:53 GMT 3
That's rather interesting. In Hungarian, the loanword kék is also a long vowel.
Yes. At first, the concept of long vowels in Old Turkic did not sound very correct to me. However, most of the Turkologists now agree on that, plus I got more convinced after I read Mahmud of Kashghars book, where he gives examples of long vowels in 11th century Turkic.
Well, there is a correspondence in Bulgarian system too - at least from the point of view of the Volga Bulgars:
Black Sea is "Western Sea" because in this system black is "west".
Likewise the Bulgars in Ukraine were "Black Bulgars" (Qara Bulghar) while the Volga Bulgars themselves - "White or Silver Bulgars" (Aq Bulghar), because white is "east".
The Qïpchaks in the south were Kumans (from quma/quba - "yellow", in Russian - Polovcy) and the colour of south is yellow.
And yes, there was a "Blue Sea" - a part of the Arctic Ocean was called by Volga Bulgars Kük Dingez or "Northern Sea".
So, as it seems, everything is relative apparently .
Black Sea is "Western Sea" because in this system black is "west".
Likewise the Bulgars in Ukraine were "Black Bulgars" (Qara Bulghar) while the Volga Bulgars themselves - "White or Silver Bulgars" (Aq Bulghar), because white is "east".
The Qïpchaks in the south were Kumans (from quma/quba - "yellow", in Russian - Polovcy) and the colour of south is yellow.
And yes, there was a "Blue Sea" - a part of the Arctic Ocean was called by Volga Bulgars Kük Dingez or "Northern Sea".
So, as it seems, everything is relative apparently .
Interesting
I would really like to see those articles of Fikri Sertkaya proving that Kazım Mirşan lied about the languages he knew. Do you know whether those articles can be found online?
I actually posted the links of two or three of his articles in one of the topics here in this forum, but currently I don't remember where exactly One of them was about the Old Turkic word yish.
Also do you have Kazım Mirşan's books?
No, but I got the book of Haluk Tarcan where he summarises Mirşans claims. I would never buy Mirşans books because he sells them in very high prices. Actually I suppose he wrote all those books for money - first to create a sensation among the general public (Turkish people like these types of self-flattering stuff) and then gain large sums of money by selling his books expensive.
Though I also watched all the programs Mirşan attended, so I know what exactly he claims.
I deleted the articles. If anyone want them, please send me p.m.
I would like one copy please