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Post by reduxx on Aug 31, 2010 22:03:19 GMT 3
Who is the biggest enemy of steppe people's and steppe unity?
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Post by sarmat on Sept 1, 2010 18:25:57 GMT 3
What is "steppe unity"? Things like that don't exist in the modern world. Needless to say, that real steppe people themselves now live only in Mongolia and several provinces of China and their numbers are gradually declining.
This poll doesn't make much sense...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 2, 2010 13:36:13 GMT 3
In history, steppe peoples themselves were the enemy of attempts of "steppe unity" made by some steppe peoples such as the Huns, Gokturks, Uyghurs, Mongols, etc.
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 3, 2010 16:11:30 GMT 3
The soul and spirit of the nomad will live on regardless... I hope =(
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Post by sarmat on Sept 3, 2010 18:49:39 GMT 3
What "nomad" means? Discussing great deeds of the ancient nomads on the internet forum isn't really equal to the existence of "nomad spirit" somewhere. :-) Not sure, how nomads can be there at all without the nomadic way of life...
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Post by zinnmartina on Sept 4, 2010 15:15:55 GMT 3
I understand this message in a cultural complex. For me are then the steppe people their own greatest enemys. Many of the young want to give up a more traditional live which I can undrstand. I think there will be changes in the future. But changes are not always bad.
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 4, 2010 16:04:38 GMT 3
Great Khagan's signature actually inspired me for no apparent reason it seems... Got reminded of the song, then got reminded of the grand days of actually being able to drink booze and enjoy the song! ;D
Nevermind me nowadays fellas, my mind is completely blanked out in sobriety.
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Post by yesughei on Sept 22, 2010 22:46:02 GMT 3
I totally agree with H. Ihsan Erkoc, but since that was not a possible answer I voted for China.
The wars between steppe people and China, from the XiongNu till the Mongols represent the clash between nomadic cultures and sedentairy cultures, which I find very interesting. And the wars between different steppe peoples which prevented steppe unity was very often the result of secret Chinese intervention. I think that the very reason of Temujin's incredible rise of power is that he discovered that China secretly bribed the Tatars to fight against his tribe, which very likely caused his father's death.
I don't think a nomadic unity excists, and I also believe that all nomadic people are in a way (I don't know how to say it...) cursed to extinguish. There are very little nomads left nowadays, and if they will not settle they will become a tourist attraction. Maybe in a way time is the biggest enemy of nomadic steppe people...
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 23, 2010 14:42:11 GMT 3
Nomadism may die but the respective cultures on the steppe born from millenia of nomadism must and should live on. The unfortunate thing is that some prefer to succumb themselves exclusively to foreign influence. I have been guilty of that in the past too.
Like hey, folk music, or throat-singing isn't exactly nomadic, the cultural principles and way of thinking of different steppe people isn't exclusive to nomads either. But it's still culture, it's still heritage and cultural survival is important.
Different cultures have their own way of thinking, and none has the right to impose on another. Heck even that quote itself is a way of thinking on it's own! It's unfortunate that the dominant cultures of the modern world always do impose themselves; such as Anglo/Sino culture, same problem with mainstream religions such as Christianity/Islam over Tengriism/Paganism/Asatru/etc.
I would say that's the main problem at the moment, not the lack of nomads/industrialisation/etc. You have to keep up with the times I guess.
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Post by ballaja on Apr 17, 2012 21:10:16 GMT 3
The only enemy of steppe people's are russians, you may conclude it by reading the russian historian Gumilyov about hazarian state, the long history of jews begun in central asia Hwarezm, jews were chased from there by Kuteyba bin Muslim the great muslim warrior(ashaby kiram), jews begged refuge to ashina's kingdom hazaria , turks have received them and later on jews gained whole power over hazaria. Russians, to be honest are, as said Gumilyov – ethnic chimera, the folk of slaves, mixed slavic and jewish state, why? It’s long before confessed that russian state get rid of tatar-mongol yoke and in servile manner obtained the romano-germano-jewish yoke, you may find vaticanos book – Missio Moscovitsa, where clearly explained the successful plan of establishing servile state russia.
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Post by sarmat on Apr 18, 2012 1:02:52 GMT 3
The only enemy of steppe people's are russians, you may conclude it by reading the russian historian Gumilyov about hazarian state, the long history of jews begun in central asia Hwarezm, jews were chased from there by Kuteyba bin Muslim the great muslim warrior(ashaby kiram), jews begged refuge to ashina's kingdom hazaria , turks have received them and later on jews gained whole power over hazaria. Russians, to be honest are, as said Gumilyov – ethnic chimera, the folk of slaves, mixed slavic and jewish state, why? It’s long before confessed that russian state get rid of tatar-mongol yoke and in servile manner obtained the romano-germano-jewish yoke, you may find vaticanos book – Missio Moscovitsa, where clearly explained the successful plan of establishing servile state russia. ROFL... ;D ;D ;D Gumilev wrote that about Khazaria. He never wrote and couldn't have written anything like that about Russians. His whole work was to prove that Russians and Steppe people most of the time had very positive and even brotherly relations. Gumilev always called Mongols and Turks, brothers of Russians and dedicated his life to the destruction of the "black legend" (mostly created in the Western Europe in his opinion) about Nomades as savage barbarians. Both Gumilev opinions about Khazaria and Russian-Steppe relations are debatable... However, he never wrote such nonsense as you produce. Gumilev was a Russian patriot and a big fan and supporter of the Steppe people at the same time.
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Post by ancalimon on Apr 18, 2012 2:16:13 GMT 3
The only enemy of steppe people's are russians, you may conclude it by reading the russian historian Gumilyov about hazarian state, the long history of jews begun in central asia Hwarezm, jews were chased from there by Kuteyba bin Muslim the great muslim warrior(ashaby kiram), jews begged refuge to ashina's kingdom hazaria , turks have received them and later on jews gained whole power over hazaria. Russians, to be honest are, as said Gumilyov – ethnic chimera, the folk of slaves, mixed slavic and jewish state, why? It’s long before confessed that russian state get rid of tatar-mongol yoke and in servile manner obtained the romano-germano-jewish yoke, you may find vaticanos book – Missio Moscovitsa, where clearly explained the successful plan of establishing servile state russia. ROFL... ;D ;D ;D Gumilev wrote that about Khazaria. He never wrote and couldn't have written anything like that about Russians. His whole work was to prove that Russians and Steppe people most of the time had very positive and even brotherly relations. Gumilev always called Mongols and Turks, brothers of Russians and dedicated his life to the destruction of the "black legend" (mostly created in the Western Europe in his opinion) about Nomades as savage barbarians. Both Gumilev opinions about Khazaria and Russian-Steppe relations are debatable... However, he never wrote such nonsense as you produce. Gumilev was a Russian patriot and a big fan and supporter of the Steppe people at the same time. Why would "the West" create a bad image of Turks and make Russians hate Turks? By the way.. I agree with you. But things should be much more complicated. There has to be "a sinister plot"
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 18, 2012 9:39:17 GMT 3
The only enemy of steppe people's are russians, you may conclude it by reading the russian historian Gumilyov about hazarian state, the long history of jews begun in central asia Hwarezm, jews were chased from there by Kuteyba bin Muslim the great muslim warrior(ashaby kiram), jews begged refuge to ashina's kingdom hazaria , turks have received them and later on jews gained whole power over hazaria. Russians, to be honest are, as said Gumilyov – ethnic chimera, the folk of slaves, mixed slavic and jewish state, why? It’s long before confessed that russian state get rid of tatar-mongol yoke and in servile manner obtained the romano-germano-jewish yoke, you may find vaticanos book – Missio Moscovitsa, where clearly explained the successful plan of establishing servile state russia. Why are you so obsessed with Jews?
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Post by menguberdi on Apr 19, 2012 10:44:38 GMT 3
Trace back to tampliers and merovings up to date when mongolians converted to nestorian (christian) creed,vatican established ties with Hulagu Han and Ismailits and crushed with joint efforts bagdad halifat, khalif believed to ismailits and went like a lamb to the slaughter, mongolians believed if a drop of khalif’s blood will leak the whole world will be turned over, so he was rolled to carpet and shaked to death. During massacre in Bagdad, none of jews and christians were killed, that is why in history this invasion was called as “Yellow crusade”. Later on Hulagu was incited to invade Egypt and further to unite with western catholic Europe and with joint efforts crush the Ottoman empire, but fortunately the power in Golden Horde was gained by moslem turks-tatars, namely by Berke Han, he came down with all his power upon Hulagu and was quite victorious in several battles, also Berke Han backed Mamluk state which resulted with infamous defeat of Hulagu in Ayn-Jalut battle in egypt, so the dream of masonic reunion failed in realisation. All this history shows that persians, jews, and vatican are the whole devilish body which missed to be annihilated timely. Further masons efforts in establishing the servile russian state gave fruits, tzar Pawel was converted to masons, masons include jewish ideology, the “Missio Moscovitsa” was successfully realized and now onwards russia served only to the interests of masons, Tzar Petro-I cut down all noble roots inherited from Golden Horde, the following rulers of russia as the german prostitute Yekaterina and etc. organized the mass genocide of native turkic people. Such politic was followed up till the 20th century, the revolution of communists in 1917 also is revanche of the same jews for the lost Khazarian state crushed by slavic prince Svyatoslav and oguz turks,now onwards the total massacre of turks was held all the way. The siberia native turks were massacred, the north caucasian poor chechens also were massacred, some of them migrated to turkey(19th century), the nogay turks about 1 million were cut throat by general Suvorov , Karachay, kalmyks,ingushs,balkars,crimean tatars, turks-mesheti, the list is too long! ..the way how (jewish) russians subdued nomads is outrageous, for example turkmens by Skobelev during the siege of Geok-Tepe,the inhabitants all indiscriminately women,children,old men all about 20.000 were killed, and piled in great heap, the babies were pierced with bayonet and thrown to the heap upon which crude oil was poured and burned all of them. Russia was founded with immense blood of nomads. Russia is a jewish state, servile state, the source of raw materials for the jews and western world. Go and search the russian internet space and you will be horrified to see how russians approve the jewish-mason degenerate the norwegian Anders Breivick.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 19, 2012 13:15:40 GMT 3
What the bloody nonsense are you talking about?
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