Who was first with dubble headed eagle as standard

[abdulhay]

I wonder who was first to use dubble headed eagle as a standard, was it byzantines or great seljuks


later people who uses is albainians russians and more people

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

The first I could see was the Hittites. In Cappadocia, in a local museum there is a rock relief from the Hittites which has a very big double-headed eagle on it. However, there is a very big time gap between that and the first appearence of that symbol in medieval Middle East. The first example of it's useage in medieval Middle East I saw up to now was on a 10th century Buyid (Buwayhid) rug from eastern Iran.

[abdulhay]

So what are u saying,

did the great seljuks use it before the byzantines,?

[abdulhay]

might qaghan, can u please tell us

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

I don't know, maybe.

[Bor Chono]

Chingghis khaan defeated Nestorians and took swastika to rule them. I see these Nestorians use 2 headed bird.

swastika-info.com/en/news/china/1062812701.html

[Subu'atai]

So now we have ancient uses of the Khas or (Tumen Nasan khee) as a unity symbol on the steppes to views in regards to Buddhist uses and NOW Nestorian Christians even?! xD

This needs to be debated more. Darn I wish we have a "swastika" expect here on this forum. Someone invite a German! LOL I'm just kidding dont mind me xD

[Temüjin]

funny enough, double-headed eagle, cross and swastika were all symbols of Germans too at some point...

[hjernespiser]

I don't know about those bronze swastikas being Nestorian. Most Nestorian artifact images I've seen show a simple cross, not a swastika. Here's a Nestorian headstone for example:


So I'm digging around for some more information on these bronze swastikas. I downloaded the little Word document on that swastika website for more information, but it is in German. So next I googled for "nestorian swastika" and came across this: www.socdigest.org/articles/03oct05.html This guy also thinks that these swastikas are mis-identified as Nestorian. They're probably just the khas for good luck and not a reference to Christianity.