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Post by arnewise12 on May 3, 2009 18:01:50 GMT 3
Hi,
I just wonderd what the title chanyu that the asian huns used means.
I read in wikipedia a while ago that it ment the greatest. Does it have some other meaning. ?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 4, 2009 11:30:42 GMT 3
Hanshu 漢書 (94A: 3751; Zhonghua Shuju 中華書局 Edition) gives the meaning of the Hunnic title Chanyu 單于 as this: "單于者，廣大之貌也，言其象天單于然也． ([The word] Chanyu shows vastness/immensity, this means that the Chanyu was like the sky)".
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Post by arnewise12 on May 4, 2009 21:18:23 GMT 3
all right, thanks for the info
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Post by arnewise12 on May 25, 2009 0:50:50 GMT 3
what about Modu chanyus full title,
what does Batur Tengrikut Chengli Gudu Chanyu mean
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 25, 2009 1:21:39 GMT 3
According to Hanshu, the Huns called their rulers Chengli Gutu Chanyu 撐犁孤塗單于; Chengli ment "Sky" (Old Turkic Täŋri or Tengri), Gutu ment "son". Some historians have doubted this "Son of Heaven" meaning of Chengli Gutu so they claimed that it was Old Turkic Tengrikut (Täŋriqut).
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Post by Ardavarz on Dec 29, 2012 22:31:01 GMT 3
According to De Groot's translation the Chinese gloss was "broad and great". I remember reading some book by a Russian author (unfortunately I don't remember name and title) where an etymology of the word "Khan" was proposed based on some Mongolian root with the meaning of "broad, wide" (from the name of some natural spirits in Altaic mythology called khata or something). According to the author "Khan Tengri" thus would have meant originally "the broad sky", i.e. the sky that covers everything and so metaphorically - the ruler that "covers" (rules) the land. If this is correct it may be related to the title "Shanyu" too.
There was another proposition too - from Turkic san - "rang" and öi - "house", thus meaning "lord (dignitary) of the house (dynasty)".
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BTW there is some very annoying link on this site that automatically send you to another page every minute or so. I don't know if it is only me, but this makes it almost impossible to post here.
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 29, 2012 22:49:26 GMT 3
it's the kleider-spammer again. banned.
i've also deleted all the posts, i'm not aware of any forced redirections to any sites, probably because of firefox and soem add-ons i use for it. but just in case for other users.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 30, 2012 19:44:33 GMT 3
According to the author " Khan Tengri" thus would have meant originally "the broad sky", i.e. the sky that covers everything and so metaphorically - the ruler that "covers" (rules) the land. But among the Turkic peoples it was Tengri Khan and not the other way around. |
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