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Post by aynur on Jul 12, 2011 13:15:25 GMT 3
Every religion is peaceful because none of them urges people to war. People's own selfish goals and actions causes them to abuse religion and use it as an excuse to attack other nations, completely forgetting it's true, non-violent message. These days people use it as a tool of dirty politics which is truly a shame.
Tengriism and shamanism appeals to me personally because it focuses energy on being in balance with nature; rarity in these days when we distort our own environment in the name of global markets and capital.
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Post by Tobodai on Jul 19, 2011 22:15:25 GMT 3
Having read both the Bible (I used to be Christian) and the Qu'ran (for a course in college) I can guarantee you that neither of those things are inherently peaceful and thus just sadly misinterpreted by people. Judaism too, being the old testament, has a love affair with genocide, slavery, and the like. Christianity and Islam expanded through warfare primarily, particularly Islam, and many passages in the Qu'ran openly state this as a goal. While Christianity is less explicit about this (though it loves to advocate suffering in the afterlife to disbelievers) it too was initially adopted for political reasons and then the pretext of 'saving souls', something Christians are advocated to do, was good cover for the leaders to harness the zeal of their followers. No place outside of parts of the Roman Empire, Ethiopia, Armenia, and Ireland was ever peacefully converted to Christianity. It was all sword and tribunal.
What we have to remember is that religions are invented by people to suit their own needs in a particular time and place. Typically a ruling elite. This is why universal religions that try to take over huge chunks of the world outside their place of origin can be so disruptive to peoples lives, and on this front Abrahamic religions rule the roost of tyrannical behavior.
I don't really think one can find a peaceful religion aside from some tired postmodern new agey stuff. And to be honest I think all the cool religions are polytheistic and have a darker edge to make it interesting. People used to think the Maya were peaceful, until they found out about all that constant war between the city-states and human sacrifice. Same too with all the Richard Geere types who are ignorant about Tibetan history. South-East Asia is also quite a warlike place despite having Buddhism as the dominant religion there for a long time.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 20, 2011 20:05:39 GMT 3
And not to mention the Japanese samurai who were Buddhists.
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Post by emohair on Aug 30, 2011 8:32:35 GMT 3
I was always wondering which reiligion that is the most peaceful one. Is it the buddahists or what? I am a man who like peace. I think, whatever your religion if you do it with confidence, respect and appreciate other religions, it will definitely bring peace, wherever we are.
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 16, 2011 17:29:05 GMT 3
Every religion is peaceful. Those who want war are not peaceful. This is not difficult to understand is it?
Finding peace in religion is easy no problem.
Yeah there are many people here in Belgium who think I am terorist because im muslim, but after they've known me for some time they say; you are actually a very true and honest person, you didn't even hurt anyone emotionally and you always lent others money you always helped me with my homework, I thought muslims were bad.
Thanks to the Islamic teachings and the Turkish traditions from my family I am now like this. I even converted some Belgians to Islam. But enough about this, I am not a missionary nor do I have the idea of trying to convert you by telling this, I just told you the truth about what happened in my life, nothing more.
But finding peace between humans? Naaaaah that's thinking like putting peace between Jews and Nazis.
Humans are no more human. Peace should be found between people not religion.
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Post by irelander on Nov 25, 2011 8:32:01 GMT 3
A religion is only as peacefull as those who follow it. Buddists are not peacefull! The Veddahs of Sri Lanka and the Turks in Western China are two peoples being oppressed by Budist peoples. THe most peacefull peopleliving today aer propubly the Bushmen or Pygmies of Africa. Therefor shamanism is the most peacefull religion.
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Post by coldwinternights on Jan 8, 2012 2:30:06 GMT 3
Every religion is peaceful. Those who want war are not peaceful. This is not difficult to understand is it? Finding peace in religion is easy no problem. Yeah there are many people here in Belgium who think I am terorist because im muslim, but after they've known me for some time they say; you are actually a very true and honest person, you didn't even hurt anyone emotionally and you always lent others money you always helped me with my homework, I thought muslims were bad. Thanks to the Islamic teachings and the Turkish traditions from my family I am now like this. I even converted some Belgians to Islam. But enough about this, I am not a missionary nor do I have the idea of trying to convert you by telling this, I just told you the truth about what happened in my life, nothing more. But finding peace between humans? Naaaaah that's thinking like putting peace between Jews and Nazis. Humans are no more human. Peace should be found between people not religion. Ultimately, there's no point in finding peace with everyone. One can respect his enemies, but persuing peace with him can be an awful idea. Enemies are a fact of life.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 9, 2012 14:34:39 GMT 3
True, I agree.
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Post by abdulhay on Jan 9, 2012 21:03:26 GMT 3
If we see this in a political way , what enemies can little countries as, swaziland, leichtenstein, san marino have ? I mean political enemies,
but I do not agree on the point that every one has enemies, if u mean religion , it has been used as a tool for violence and conquest, if u see it out of a religious way than conflict between one another is due to happen sooner or later , but people in general dont have that view , because religion is something subjective , being human being is something that we all share, if u find a common bond or subject than there is definitaily a friendship to create unless dogmas or political ideas are used to keep seperate people for one groups economic interests,
having enemies is (maybe its communist thinking but) a capitalist way of generalising groups ideas and putting people into different groups so that not a common universal group can take power, I mean of course that the masses in each country works toghether with masses from another country than there is no reason for war or conflict ,if we divide the resources equally than and regulate the market than there is less chance of greed , I am not a communist but Its a good idea that all the masses of the world , workers work toghether to create a union and share and decied themselfs what they want to produce instead of ads and marketing , this is what socialist say , crazy idea u can say but I dotn think it will work, not sharing of resoures anyway, I am not a communist but I try to see it from many angels as possible, the reason there is war is because of arms build up, if we didnt have them than the chanse for war would be much less or even minimal, creating ideas and groups with verius purposes adds up the risk for conflict and creates enemies among each group becasue they all race for the resources which create more wealth,
The planet will one day unite into one single unit but with unfair economical standards , I am not saying socialism is a solution but democracy with a mixed economy is the way to reduce greed and minimize the conflict factor to a lower degree than if there is interests, interests create conflicts, conflicts creates enemies, becuase As I said u race after higher economical standard and see each other as opponents instead of something else like helpers or players on the same game trying to achive a goal toghether, putting it simple as saying enemies is a natural way of life is simplifiying the reason behind conflicts, maybe some of u will say even animals have conflicts , being terrortoires to defend , but human beings maybe to some point controlled by instinct but we have common a great deal away from that by creating civilaztion, script , new inventions as human rights, democracy and so on, but I am not saying a solution I am trying to explain that u cant simply but it out like that , just because some people tended to be greedy dont mean everyone should be greedy , its the trend that makes the poltics and shapes the future, not simple as enemies are natural,
for example in war nowadays we dont tend to bomb or kill civilians even if it tends to happen in some cases, for example whole people have been erased out of history and the land they lived on due to war and in the ways it was fought by killing everyone, today we dont do that even if it happens time to time, entire popualtion dont tend to disappear, the reason , because , we now have human rights and international laws, human rights combined with stronger international laws will put or slowly bring conflicts to an end. but the economical rivalrly will stay but not the religious or political one as more the world units, so I dont agree with the simple statment that its natural to have enemies, u create enemies because u want economical or political gain, or keep your status quo, I dont see other reason, for example, if u are from ethincity a and the another guy is from the same ethincity but dont get along with u , but u get along with someone from ethnicity b, even if u share the same group or society as ethinicty a u still choose to be friend with ethnicity b, how come, simple, we attract to the persons we bond with, not religious or national background even if that sometimes in some sitauations can have a stronger bond.
enough said,
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Post by irelander on Jan 24, 2012 0:37:37 GMT 3
1 You are a communist 2 freedom and racism and simple disagreements also cause wars all the time 3 what you said aboit wars today is completely wrong. Genocide has been most common in the last 200 years and has not ended in the last 20. The Rowanden genocide, the Zoinist occupation of Palinstine, the Khamer Rouge genocide, the genocide in Sudan, Genocides in Guinne, the occupation of East Timor, the killing of Kurds in Iraq, genocide against various tribes in Brazil who have legal right to areas of rainforest, The Khojaly Massacre, and the eating of Pygmies in Africa are all genocides neither the UN or anyone else has done anything about. This type of thing happened much les often in the middle ages when was were fought mainly for power and money.
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