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Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictures)
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 1:21am

hi all
i from kiev ukraine
my forum
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=285
i heave some great pictures from this period 1237-1240 year
now i create my new mod for period mongols invasion for game MEDIEVAL 2






russian city ryazan and vladimir


empire of timur tamerlan (late mongolian lider)


Great Mongolian empire

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 1:24am


russian town Kozelsk from chernigov principalty
heroic townspeoples fight in this town with giant mongols horde more than 7 weeks !!!!!!
on picture last hour of defence this town , last countrattack of Kozelsk peoples

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 1:27am



mongols under city kiev winter 1240 year

mongolian horde heave incide 150 000 mongolian soldiers (cavalry)
and 200-250 000 non mongolian slave-soldiers from many captured steppe tribes (polovci, kipchaks,kasogi,mordva bulgars and many others)

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 1:30am


russian army from this period -russians heave not many soldiers allmost 10-15 000

mongolian heavy warrior

some mongolians warriors and teutonic knights

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 1:34am


late period (1500-1600 cossaks) take siberian khanate . in one battle this kosaks under their lider Ermak Timofeevich exterminate more than 10 000 siberian tatars.



my first reskins for novgorod principalty in game

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by yullugtegin on Dec 28, 2006, 1:52am

great pics bro, thx a lot...

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 1:56am

from here :
http://steppes.proboards23.com/index.cgi....read=1162846093

((((Mongge send delegates, to take the city with no war.
There was no Coward Mihail, to accept just right then.)))

yes mongols send delegates in kiev , and kievan peoples kill all this delegates(becouse They have refused to become slaves. They knew that having made it all of them will die. Also have meaningly made murder.)

(((((((((((The doors were wooden, broken easily and fast.))))))
LOL -THIS IS JOKE
IN REAL HISTORY MONGOLS TRY TAKE GOLDEN GATE IN KIEV -BUT THEY NOT TAKE THIS GATE
Then mongols found wery light wooden waLL near LYADSKIE gate(now square maidan nezaledjnosti). and after 2 days and nights mongols broken this wall

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by yullugtegin on Dec 28, 2006, 2:00am

yep man, sorry... so my sources are wrong then... what a pity for our library...

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 2:08am

((((((A red(bloody) sunrise was waiting for the next day to come.
The next day, with a rush, riders entered the city.)))))
in real history when mongols broken wooden walls , all kievan peoples and all womens Have met Mongols in hand-to-hand combat.
many hours they fight with mongols , and after many hours mongols retreet from city !!!!!!!!
civilian kievan people broken superian mongolian warriors !!!!!!
on next day mongols who lost 30 000 soldiers again start sturm .kievan peoples lost many cytizens too

((((((((That very proud Boyar, with the name of Dimitri,
Was seized alive, in all that chaos.)))))))))

yes but mongol lider khan BATU Has spared a life to boyar -seeing his fantastical heroism and heroism of people of city. The others Kievans all were lost up to last person(mongols kill every townspeople-every woomen and child and old man )

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 2:15am

((((yep man, sorry... so my sources are wrong then... what a pity for our library...)))))
my sources History of Ukraine
the Kiev museums
the book on History of Kiev
annals(legends) of Kiev...
Archeological excavations in Kiev

all this documents say every kievan cytizen fight with mongols untill last man .(sorry for my bad engl. langv.)

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 2:29am


great picture mongols in battle with russians on wooden walls of city Ryazan

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by bawirsaq on Dec 28, 2006, 2:36am


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my first reskins for novgorod principalty in game

WOW! What screenshots! Molodets!

I am a big fan of the TW series. I ask you to open a new topic about your mod for Medieval 2 and post all your screenshots there.

Thanks.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 28, 2006, 9:37am

I want to play this mod,it looks great!Will any Kipchak Turks in the mod?


I am also a TW fan,but in TW series,they show Turks Arabo-Iranian,not steppe nomadic =(

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by bawirsaq on Dec 28, 2006, 10:21am


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in TW series,they show Turks Arabo-Iranian,not steppe nomadic =(

True. And by "Turks", they only mean Ottomans, forgetting about Turks of Turkistan and Iran.

I loved Rome: Barbarian Invasion. They had steppe warriors like Huns.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wOByA7Dr2I

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 28, 2006, 11:20am

Want to face me in Barbarian Ýnvasion?!=)


Edit:I played with Turks(Huns) in BW,but ý don't think they made us strong in cavalry ,Many factions' cavalry unýts were better than Huns

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 28, 2006, 11:30am

[/quote]
mongolian horde heave incide 150 000 mongolian soldiers (cavalry)
and 200-250 000 non mongolian slave-soldiers from many captured steppe tribes (polovci, kipchaks,kasogi,mordva bulgars and many others)[/quote]

No,True Mongol population in the army was very less(may be 20-30000),army was Mainly Turkic(like Bulgars and Kipchaks) and some Siberian steppe peoples.
And this must be added that they were not slave ,they were main people of Golden Horde Empire and main army of Ghengis(and because of them,Golden Horde empire is Turkizied,also some Mongol tribes).
Turkic tribes were allies of Mongols in Ýnvasion,but some of Kipchak tribes defeated by them and run to Hungary.

This also must be added that army was politically Mongol but ethnicly not

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 12:04pm

(((((((I loved Rome: Barbarian Invasion. They had steppe warriors like Huns.))))
yes but i think my huns better-much better
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=100

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 12:10pm


sarmatian cavalry

huns in battle vs slavs tribes

huns standart

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 12:13pm

1)new version for BAR INVASION 1.6(124mgb -7 zip) DOWNLOAD HERE: http://vladmod.xwarez.ru/Vladmod.7z or here
http://depositfiles.com/files/148106/VladMod.exe.html
2)FINAL UPDATE FOR BARBARIANS 1.6
http://vladmod.xwarez.ru/RomeTotalWar(Final_update).7z

for mod need game: rome total war barbarians invasion +official patch 1.6

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by bawirsaq on Dec 28, 2006, 12:54pm

Vlad, good job!


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yes but i think my huns better-much better

Why do your Huns have so many foot soldiers?

Huns were a nomadic horseback nation. According to Ammian Marcellin, Huns fought terribly on feet, but were great fighters on horseback.


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huns standart

Great. Check this out: Turkic Golden Wolf banner

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by ahiskali on Dec 28, 2006, 1:10pm

I onlmy heard that the western Huns had infantry and they were germanic or goths so

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by bawirsaq on Dec 28, 2006, 1:41pm


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I onlmy heard that the western Huns had infantry and they were germanic or goths so

I know, but the infantry on Vlad's screenshots doesn't look Germanic or Goth, they look Asiatic (skins from the original BI).

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 28, 2006, 1:48pm

Yeah,peoples under Turk rule were their Ýnfantry.But this soldiers don't look Germanic.They must be look more Gemanic than Turkic.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 8:14pm

(((((Why do your Huns have so many foot soldiers? )))))
i can't post here all pictures (now i work only with medieval 2 game ))
but huns in my mod for barb invasion 1.6 heave much more cavalry than any nation in game(and much more soldiers in one detachment.
in my mod allmost all huns this is mongoloid people (from place mongolia), all huns heave mongoloid face.
in real history when huns come on volga river (Ra) 355 year, then on Dnieper river (Borysfen )376 year or on slavonic langv Slavyta -huns heave inside only tjyrks peoples .(and some alans and some nomad tribes,and some scytho sarmatian tribes.
only later in 450 year under rule Attila, Huns use in their army some Germanic detachments Goths,Gepids,Quaddi, some small franks detachments,and other tribes.
After hun lider Attila die (his GERMAN woomen kill their husband )this woomen from german burgundii tribes - all germanic tribes start revolt and broken huns back in their steppes . Later slavs and avars tribes exterminate last huns detachments

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 28, 2006, 9:12pm

Huns are Mongoloid people like all Turks,we mean their infantry wasn't Turkic,it was germanic.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 28, 2006, 10:21pm

Crimean Tatar and BAWIR$AQ i think you know russ langv. -TJYRKS not say turks

(((Huns are Mongoloid people like all Turks)))))))
like all tjyrkish mongolian tribes

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 28, 2006, 10:51pm

I can't understand Rus,ý can only speak my mother language and english,ý am living in Turkey.Tjyrkish?I haven't heard them before,can you tell me some of them?Ýnteresting...


Turk and Mongolian,both are Mongoloid,and they are cousins.But Huns are not Mongolian .They were Turkic

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by temujin on Dec 28, 2006, 11:28pm

vlad means there is a difference between Turks (nationality) and Turkic (Türk) people (ethnicity)

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 29, 2006, 2:20am

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 29, 2006, 11:51am

much biggest picture:2thumbsup:


biggest you can see here
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1367373#post1367373

great picture:thumbsup2

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 29, 2006, 5:21pm


test mongolian model

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by aca on Dec 29, 2006, 6:06pm


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Crimean Tatar and BAWIR$AQ i think you know russ langv. Cкажу по русски не путайте турков с тюрками - это совершенно разные народы . я вообще непонимаю как можно монголоидные племена турками называть ? не турки а тюрки -TJYRKS not say turks (((Huns are Mongoloid people like all Turks))))))) like all tjyrkish mongolian tribes турки это не монголоидные племена и ничего общего с ними не имеют. они ближе к ираноязычным племенам из средней азии чнм к монгольским племенам

How can you say that Turks are closer to Iranic speaking tribes of Central Asia than to Mongolian tribes? They maybe look like them, but they are totaly different peoples.

At the time of Huns, ALL Turkic speaking tribes were Mongoloids. Even today Turkic speaking peoples are mostly Mongoloids (exept Turks, Azeri and some others who now look more Caucasian)

Can you please explane to me what do you mean when you say "Turks and Tyurks are totaly different peoples"?

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by balamir on Dec 29, 2006, 7:02pm


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vlad means there is a difference between Turks (nationality) and Turkic (Türk) people (ethnicity)

No,he is thinking Turkic tribes are Mongolian,he also thinks Turks are Iranian and their history started with Seljuks.

I saw him on AE.

Man,our first empire were Xiong-nu,including nearly alla Middle and East Asia.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Dec 30, 2006, 2:01pm


Hey what a hell is a Dragon doing here? Mongols are not Chinese! also Mongols had different flag than Manchu!

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Dec 30, 2006, 2:04pm


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test mongolian model

So U are make PC games! WOW that`s cool!!!
If U are planing to make a model for Mongol general don`t forget the chest mirror.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by temujin on Dec 30, 2006, 11:11pm


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I loved Rome: Barbarian Invasion. They had steppe warriors like Huns. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wOByA7Dr2I

can you really have as many soldiers in a unit as shown in the video? I have rome (original) but i've never seen battles with so many soldiers...

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Dec 31, 2006, 3:09am




(((So U are make PC games! WOW that`s cool!!! )))
i make mods for pc games

(((can you really have as many soldiers in a unit as shown in the video)))
in barbarian invasion possible 240 units in one detachment and 10 -15 000 units on battlefield .

in medieval 2 only 150 units in one detachment and 5-8 000 units on battlefield

(((If U are planing to make a model for Mongol general don`t forget the chest mirror.)))
yes i make all mongolian army for east and west mongolian horde -all units etsc.
this model only test (very bad and not finished)

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Jan 28, 2007, 12:54am


giant mongolian horde

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Jan 28, 2007, 12:55am

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Jan 28, 2007, 12:58am

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Jan 28, 2007, 12:59am

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by tantalus on Jan 28, 2007, 11:26pm

vlad,

These pictures that you posted today are wonderful!

What book are they from? Can you tell me the title and author and publisher?

Thank you!

I have a book called "The Mongols" by Tim Newark and Liu Yong Hua. Published by Concord Publications. The pictures are different but the style is the same. I do not have a digital camera or I would post some.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Feb 1, 2007, 2:10pm



I like your pics Vlad! I`ll try to help U.
Here are some Mongol flags.(my painting )
First flag : Flag with falcon
Elite force or Heavy horsemen, made of the tribe of The Great khaan so it has white falcon. They do strategic fast strikes like taking enemy flags.
Second flag : Flag with bow & arrow.
Archers or main force, does most shooting.
Third flag : Flag with running horse
Front line or Light horsemen or main combat force, made of mixed nomads. Their duty is to hold the enemy so that the archers could shoot them.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 4, 2007, 12:44am

need information
did mongols uze on their flags china dragon ?
wolfs head -or many wolfs


((((What book are they from?))))
from internet

more pictures

MUCH MORE MONGOLS


TIMUR TAMERLANE ARMY in battle vs asian elefants


MONGOLS NEAR EASTERN CITY(i think Bahdad)


giant mongolian horde

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Feb 4, 2007, 2:30pm


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I need information

Sure!

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did mongols use on their flags chinese dragon?

Ofcourse NOT! Maybe Tatars used! Golden Tatars=Manchu used!
Mongols respect(also hate) Dragons!

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Did Mongols used wolfs head -or many wolfs?

Animals are used, but I`m not sure about flags but Wolf can be used on clothes(armor) & shields.


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((((What book are they from?)))) from internet

U mean the flags! Nop they are not from internet! These flags are only at SHF ! Everyone in Mongolia use these flags as 13th century flag!.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Feb 5, 2007, 9:26am


1.Moon Sun fire are together flag is most popular one.
2-3 sun & fire are also popular but not moon -I guess.
however I don`t know the meaning of these flags in battle field.

Mongol hordes :

(my art work )

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 18, 2007, 12:27am


this flag historical
i mean red color



also what about this flag too ?

historical or not

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 18, 2007, 3:24am

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 19, 2007, 12:21am


full variant
in game this flags is Excellently Impressing

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 19, 2007, 12:56am

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by tantalus on Feb 19, 2007, 6:13am

vlad's post of the picture of the taking of Kiev City reminded me of this account
by someone who was there. The picture captures the noise and confusion described
in the account:

The mongols were like dense clouds. The rattling of wagons,
the bellowing of camels and cattle, the sound of the
trumpets, the neighing of the horses, and the cries of
a vast multitude made it impossible for people to hear
one another inside the city...Batu ordered that rams be
placed near the Polish Gate, because that part of the
wall was wooden. Many rams hammered the walls
ceaselessly, day and night, the inhabitants were
frightened and many were killed, the blood flowing
like water... And thus, with the aid of many rams,
they broke through the city walls and entered the city...

From The Mongol Empire by Peter Brent, page 118.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 20, 2007, 1:41pm

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 20, 2007, 2:07pm

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 20, 2007, 8:59pm


ДАЁШЬ РЕАЛИСТИЧНЫХ МОНГОЛОВ В ИГРУ
КАЖДУЮ ТЕКСТУРКУ СВОИМИ РУКАМИ ЛИЧНО РИСОВАЛ
REALISTIC MONGOLIAN WARRIORS
MADE BY VLAD

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by kokturk on Feb 21, 2007, 1:35am

I have to admit that vlad is a talented artist.

But, according to the rules of Proboards, you have to make an English translation of non-English post. I want to ask if the "REALISTIC MONGOLIAN WARRIORS MADE BY VLAD" is translation of the script written in Cyrillic, above.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 21, 2007, 4:49pm



test variant of mongolian light archers

kokturk text allmost similar
ok
only on english langv.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by aca on Feb 21, 2007, 7:34pm


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I have to admit that vlad is a talented artist. But, according to the rules of Proboards, you have to make an English translation of non-English post. I want to ask if the "REALISTIC MONGOLIAN WARRIORS MADE BY VLAD" is translation of the script written in Cyrillic, above.

Actually, in the second row it is written "every texture (I) drew with (my) own hands"

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Feb 23, 2007, 4:19am

I asked other Mongols about it
Waiting for their reply
Personaly I don`t think Mongols would like red flags.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Feb 23, 2007, 4:21am

Well...yes quite Realistic!
But U forget the animal hair. There are no one with spear with hair.

Don`t say that these Mongols gave up their shamanism

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by bawirsaq on Feb 23, 2007, 10:26am

Vlad,

Íàñ÷åò "ñâîèìè ðóêàìè ëè÷íî", âðîäå íåêîòîðûå òåêñòóðêè âçÿòû îò îôèöèàëüíûõ çîëîòîîðäûíöåâ, íåò?

Commenting on "with my own hands", weren't some of the textures taken from the official Golden Hordians?

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 23, 2007, 10:56am


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But U forget the animal hair. There are no one with spear with hair.

becouse i can't ,and any can't open model in 3d max
only reskin original model from game

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Feb 23, 2007, 10:59am


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Commenting on "with my own hands", weren't some of the textures taken from the official Golden Hordians?

lol
this is mod
modification for original game "medieval 2"
my reskins
+ very big new map +many new provs.(now 198)
+9 new nations in game(now 31)
some new units
flags ,banners , battons and many many others
my forum here
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=285

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by tantalus on Feb 27, 2007, 6:43am

Just a little regarding Mongol banners -

There is book called History of the Bishops of Salona and Split. Written by Archdeacon Thomas of Split (1200-1268). It was meant to be a history of the church of Split in Croatia. But there is a section (25 pages) that describes the Mongol invasions of 1241-2, and are based on his personal experience or on eyewitness reports.

At one point he says:

Their banners are short, colored black and white, and have a sort of woolen ball on the top.

Maybe the "woolen ball" is a yak or horse tail? Unfortunately he doesn't describe the banner in better detail. But he gives the impression that these banners are what was carried into battle.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on Mar 2, 2007, 12:34am


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Maybe the "woolen ball" is a yak or horse tail?

BUNCHUK

SHEAF OF TAILS OF YAKS

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Mar 2, 2007, 4:22am

Buryat & Halha Mongols(=Guardian Mongols) don`t have Yaks.
High Mongols(=part of Tsahar/Chahar Mongols) & Djungars(=Zuungars/Oirads) do have yaks. I guess they took yaks from Tibets! Yaks not considered to be Mongol cow(=Mongol uker)

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by admin on Mar 2, 2007, 8:25pm

But yaks were known by the Turks who called them Qutuz.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by borchono on Mar 3, 2007, 5:11am


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But yaks were known by the Turks who called them Qutuz.

I wonder if Kazaks do have yaks.

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by vlad on May 20, 2007, 11:57am


mongolian infantry

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by bawirsaq on May 20, 2007, 1:51pm

Vlad, very beautiful, but Mongoloid-looking Tatars didn't fight on foot (pehota), but on the horseback (cavalry).

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by admin on May 20, 2007, 11:23pm

Great work Vlad, spasibo, you are surely talented

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Re: Mongolo-tatars invasion on Russian land(pictur
Post by nisse on May 23, 2007, 2:01am

I sure like those pic, but one thing that bothers me about the game is that the turks have to few infantry units, and the janissarys arent that good, infact they almost suck, they are not paying the money, why have they done this , its unfair, why does the europeans factions have all the infantry they need

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