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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 18, 2006 0:11:16 GMT 3
What you think about Hungarians nowadays?
I believe that many of them are germanic or slavic origin.
Genetic researches showed that Csangos and Székelys (Magyar-related tribes in Transsylvania) have strong genetical-connections to Finnics and Northern-Turkics, but Hungarians are mainly genetically european.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 18, 2006 10:25:11 GMT 3
well you have maygars who are ethnic turkic who established a state there and like anatolians mixed with the locals but the numbers of the maygars were way smaller than that of the seljuk and ottomans and it happend earlier so I think the maygar bloodline is verry thin mostly as you say germanic and slavic
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2006 10:35:58 GMT 3
The main question is that did Germanics and Slavs lived in Pannonia before and after the Magyars migrated to the region?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 18, 2006 12:52:52 GMT 3
Well, there lived slavs before Magyars. And after Batu's invasion (That was magyar's King Geza IV's own fault) many saxonians moved to Pannonia. And later Habsburgs moved millions slavs there.
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 18, 2006 15:36:43 GMT 3
i dont know, but i travelled budapest one time. and there are so many people who looks like tatars and turks of turkey. and they like turks too much. when they knows that i am from turkey, they wellcomed me, and they show very good hospitality to me. i haven't seen but, they said that, there was a big statue of soleyman the magnificent who conquerered hungaria.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 18, 2006 15:44:42 GMT 3
i dont know, but i travelled budapest one time. and there are so many people who looks like tatars and turks of turkey. and they like turks too much. when they knows that i am from turkey, they wellcomed me, and they show very good hospitality to me. i haven't seen but, they said that, there was a big statue of soleyman the magnificent who conquerered hungaria. I have never been in Hungary, but if I someday go, then I choose rather Pusta than Budapest. I believe that in Pusta there are more original Magyars than in those great cities. Csangos and Székelys have lived very isolated, so they have preserved their original blood much better than Magyars. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2006 19:55:22 GMT 3
I think Hungary must be a geneticially very mixed region as it was like a key passage between Europe and the Steppes. Sarmatians, Romans, Huns, various Germanic tribes, Avars, Magyars and Kumans lived in the region for large amounts of time. As verinenparoni pointed out, there were also Slavic and German migrations in the later centuries.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 18, 2006 22:12:36 GMT 3
the germanic tribes used to live more to the east than they do nowadays right like more in the baltic?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 18, 2006 22:19:02 GMT 3
the germanic tribes used to live more to the east than they do nowadays right like more in the baltic? They used originally live from Netherlands to Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, Denmark). Later they moved Slavs to east. Even Berlin was originally Polish-populated;) |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2006 22:26:54 GMT 3
Actually, modern Poland was also inhabited by Germanic tribes in the Classical Age (Roman Period).
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 19, 2006 0:02:28 GMT 3
Actually, modern Poland was also inhabited by Germanic tribes in the Classical Age (Roman Period). Germanics moved Slavs to east. For example Czechs are Slavic only by language etc... |
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 19, 2006 13:01:03 GMT 3
i dont know, but i travelled budapest one time. and there are so many people who looks like tatars and turks of turkey. and they like turks too much. when they knows that i am from turkey, they wellcomed me, and they show very good hospitality to me. i haven't seen but, they said that, there was a big statue of soleyman the magnificent who conquerered hungaria. I have never been in Hungary, but if I someday go, then I choose rather Pusta than Budapest. I believe that in Pusta there are more original Magyars than in those great cities. Csangos and Székelys have lived very isolated, so they have preserved their original blood much better than Magyars. i didn't go there for travelling. my aunt went there for a lecture and i went with her. it was for 3 days. |
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 19, 2006 14:23:02 GMT 3
Lol every ppl whos names ends with "-gar" somehow were under Mongol (speaking) tribe rule!  Hun-gar, Bul-gar, Zuun-gar(=Djun-gar), Ui-gar maybe also May-gars hehehe... ;D (don`t take it seriously! ) |
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 19, 2006 23:01:06 GMT 3
some remarks. Hungarians were not Turkic but Finno-Ugric. Saxons who migrated to Hungary lived mostly in border regions and formed their own communities and did not mix much with natives. Berlin was not populated by Poles but western slav tribes that were not Poles prior to German eastern migration. even up to 19th Century there where 3 minorites called Iazyges (Sarmatians), Kumans (Kypchak) and Szekely. Pannonia prior to the Hungarian migration was beign described as depopulated by chroniclers, there were only few people living there before the Magyars came. remember that Charlemagne slaughtered the Avars living there.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 20, 2006 19:39:44 GMT 3
But of course the Carolingians couldn't have genocided the entire Avars  There still were Iazyges in 19th century Hungary?  What happened to them? Which language did they speak? |
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What happened to them? Which language did they speak?