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Huns and scale armor
« Thread Started on Apr 30, 2012, 10:30pm »
This is something I had on my mind for some time. Did the Huns use scale or lamellar armor? Well they're neighbours were the sarmatians when they moved to the northern pontic region and they had also many different tribes.
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« Reply #1 on May 1, 2012, 2:29pm »
I guess archaeological studies published in Hungary can help you. Personally I don't know either.
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« Reply #2 on May 1, 2012, 6:57pm »
There is not much archaeological findings of Huns in the Carpathian basin. I have the book: Das Hunnenreich from Bóna István. I will check it out once more. I can upload the link here too if you have not seen it.


Also the greatest hunnic graveyard with very well preserved findings is Noyon Uul. Well, it's actually Xiongnu but it is as closest as I can get to the huns where I can use something for reconstruction. Like the carpets for example. No info on that there as well.

http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/arc....nuarchhist.html
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« Reply #3 on May 2, 2012, 12:24am »
European Hun archaeology is greatly lacking in data. Some think that a lot of burials that are considered to be Goth are actually Hun. There's an afterword in the book The Huns by E. A. Thompson that talks a bit about Hun archaeology.
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« Reply #4 on May 2, 2012, 9:56am »
Indeed, actually the coat and cap Attila wears in McBride's paintings are inspired from the findings of Noin Ula.
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« Reply #5 on May 2, 2012, 1:12pm »
That's interesting. Is it known when the lamellar armor actually occured or which culture used it for the first time?
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« Reply #6 on May 2, 2012, 7:40pm »
Unfortunately I have no idea, but would like to learn.
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« Reply #7 on May 2, 2012, 8:35pm »
I think the McBride depiction, like many other depictions of the Huns or Attila, looks too eastern, especially the hat. The costume should show more local steppe influences. Sassanid fashion was pretty big.
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« Reply #8 on May 2, 2012, 8:52pm »

May 2, 2012, 8:35pm, hjernespiser wrote:
I think the McBride depiction, like many other depictions of the Huns or Attila, looks too eastern, especially the hat. The costume should show more local steppe influences. Sassanid fashion was pretty big.



Yeah I was thinking about that as well. Goths, Sarmatians may also had some influence on them.
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Re: Huns and scale armor
« Reply #9 on May 3, 2012, 10:09am »
You might want to check this old thread too: http://steppes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=board04&action=display&thread=718

And here are some depictions of Asian Hunnic (Xiongnu) warriors from various Russian, British and Chinese artists:

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Xiongnu noble

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Xiongnu noble (this one is based on Noin Ula findings)

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A 2nd century AD Chinese clay statue depicting a Xiongnu warrior
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« Reply #10 on May 3, 2012, 10:11am »
The last guy clearly wears scale armor.
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« Reply #11 on May 3, 2012, 10:20am »
Thank you. These will be very usefull. Since the Huns rode from Mongolia to the Northern Pontic region, well I guess some of them, the reconstruction needs to be modified a little bit to match the euroasian style.

Yes the last guy has clearly some type of scale armor on him.

The picture with the Asian and European Hun is interesting. I've never seen a reconstruction like that before. The European Hun's helmet reminds me of Asterix. :D And what is BCE and CE? Before Christ and after?
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« Reply #12 on May 3, 2012, 10:37am »

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The picture with the Asian and European Hun is interesting. I've never seen a reconstruction like that before. The European Hun's helmet reminds me of Asterix.

I guess that helmet is based on 6th-8th century Soghdian and Gokturk helmets we know from artistic depictions and archaeological finds. And according to the 11th century scholar Mahmud of Kashghar, Turkic warriors attached two wings to their helmets if they could shoot both forward and backwards (warriors wearing helmets with two feathers are depicted on Gokturk-period petroglyphs from Mongolia).


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era
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« Reply #13 on May 3, 2012, 11:27am »
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The picture with the Asian and European Hun is interesting. I've never seen a reconstruction like that before. The European Hun's helmet reminds me of Asterix.

I guess that helmet is based on 6th-8th century Soghdian and Gokturk helmets we know from artistic depictions and archaeological finds. And according to the 11th century scholar Mahmud of Kashghar, Turkic warriors attached two wings to their helmets if they could shoot both forward and backwards (warriors wearing helmets with two feathers are depicted on Gokturk-period petroglyphs from Mongolia).

So it has something to do with their archery abilities. I thought It was based from germanic tribes but thankss for the explanation. Now I know the significance of feathers on helmets.
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« Reply #14 on May 31, 2012, 2:55pm »
Scale armor on the Nagyszentmiklos treasure


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